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this is so goffy lol the gov cant keep on giving hand outs if your broke its your own fault art of self reliance thats how you survive
Lionheart? I’m sorry but you are a good example on what the problem is. You are apparently over 18, which implies you have graduated from high school. Your spelling ability, and your ability to express yourself adequately indicates that the concept of “Occupy” is beyond your comprehension. Either that or indicates youth- so are you ignorant by choice or ignorant by circumstances? Either or indicates you really don’t understand what #Occupy is all about.
Seems like the items you need never changes no matter how many of those items are provided for you. What happens to all the donated items? I am just curious. Donated many of the items that are still listed, just can’t imagine needing that many more. What happens to them. Is there not any kind of control as to who gets what? Are they being taken by the homeless people and leaving the Occupy area? I think there needs to be a little more accountablilty for the donated items. Something is seriously wrong down there.
Wally–our numbers have been increasing. More people=more sleeping bags and tents.
what ever. I am done!!
Wally, thank you for ALL you have brought down, it is being put to good use! I know you have contributed a lot and it is very appreciated!
Wally, not all of the people at the park have access to admin rights on the website to edit content. Whoever might be accepting your donation may not be able to go back and cross it off the needs list if it’s not an ongoing need. And they may forget to pass it on to someone who can.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We’ll be implementing procedures to keep the needs list more current.
Wally? Consider this- like any other war, the troops never have enough ammo, weapons, supported firepower, or supplies. Thank You for giving what you can, and thank you for your help- it is appreciated.
“like any other war” are you kiddin’ me? 12 people sitting in a tent surfing the internets, is your idea of war?
Wally just asked for accountability and I think he got nothing.
TJ, I have given you benefit of the doubt multiple times. Your behavior seems intended to be divisive.
Your suggestions for accountability are welcome. YOUR time to implement any ideas that are accepted by GA is even more relevant.
Do you know about GA’s? Draft a proposal please. Then provide time to actually implement it. There’s probably a GA getting ready to start there right now, but what are they, twice daily?
And most of the actual decision making, problem solving happens in the GA’s. The website is more of a window and I don’t think anyone right now can expect their concerns answered here. Again, that is what the GA’s are for. I’m not quite sure how the website fits in at the moment, speaking as an observer, much more happens on facebook and I don’t use facebook.
And another thing, TJ, you are putting the aggression out there rather PASSIVEly and that misses the whole point of Occupy which is about all of us stepping up and doing for each other.
Cheering or jeering critique from the sidelines if that is one’s only regular interaction, when we are all welcome in GA’s where the actual decision making is open to everyone is an example of disempowering one’s self needlessly.
At the very least, a constructive criticism would include an actual shape to the suggestion, for example, what the proposal might look like because even if you are incapable of fully crafting a proposal on your own, there’s a chance your creativity might jumpstart someone else’ creativity.
And in conclusion, what you wrote is just a complaint because it doesn’t empower anyone not even yourself. I see a complaint dissolving into something fundamentally different when it is presented to someone or some body that can actually address it. To risk repeating, again, that’s what GA’s are for. Decision making and process don’t happen on the website to the extent that GA is required.
Make sense? Issues with or complaints about what I wrote, let’s hear them.
Is there a need for any first aid type supplies?
I believe we have a basic first aid kit on site, but multiple kits would not be a bad thing!
I think if you guys would like all these things that hard working Americans have such as food, clothing, shelter, and whatever else you MIGHT just want, you need to get a job. It makes money and you can buy whatever you’d possibly need. Seems like a good idea to me. You know, working for what you need instead of begging for it.
HL, you seem to be suggesting there is something untoward about begging which I find entirely fascinating for a number of reasons.
“Jesus told a story about a beggar, Lazarus, and a rich man. Lazarus had begged daily in front of this rich man’s house but the rich man never gave him anything. Both men died. The beggar found himself in comfort with Abraham, but the rich man was in agony in a burning fire. He was thirsty so he asked Abraham to send the beggar to give him a drop of water to cool his tongue. Abraham reminded the rich man that he was reaping what he had sowed in the way he had treated the beggar when they both lived. He refused his request.” http://www.ehow.com/about_4576195_what-does-bible-say-beggars.html
That said, the people staying at the Occupy are supported by those of us who know what kind of service they are doing our country and our fellow 99% and we have asked them to give us a list of their needs. You’re welcome to ignore it all, but how foolish is it to frame it this way? I guess it’s even more foolish to mock the people who are actually standing up for us.
Most of us work or have worked paycheck to paycheck and there is very little that stands in the way of us being forced to live on the street. OWS seems like a metaphor to me for so many things gone wrong in this country? How about we work together at setting it right?
Oh, and thanks for solving the jobs crisis. I’m sure it wasn’t your intent but I just got a chuckle reading it, imagining it was something I might here from one of “our” selected “representatives” in Babylon, DC.
Great way to get religious on me. But I don’t particularly care about a story book man has written. Secondly if you’d like to do a “service” for this contry, join the military. The occupy wall street movement isn’t a service, its trying to turn this country into a communist state, if you want a glance into the future you want look at current day Russia.
Also I work from paycheck to paycheck. But I’m the type of person who will work if a job is presented to them. Even though I only have a high school diploma I still wouldn’t be to picky about where I work. There is nothing wong with working with the big corporations you all hate so much. They provide jobs for americans who want to work.
HL, actually I’m agnostic, but most people can appreciate a good parable. I know I can. You introduced the moralizing, didn’t you? So, now you want to interpret it as introducing religion but that’s your choice.
There are plenty of story books that we can find wisdom. And just because we don’t agree with everything anyone says or writes, we shouldn’t imagine they possess absolutely no wisdom.
Actually there are many ways to perform a service for each other. When we do ANYTHING for each other, that’s a service. You might also appreciate that given both political parties in this country have embraced globalization and offered the rest of us a “SERVICE” economy should probably tell you something quite significant but I will let you figure it out yourself. No need for me to explain everything.
I agree about the service of our fellow Americans in the military, shocker, eh, buddy.
The interesting thing about the military is they send us to places far away to defend our freedom as the narrative goes while those very same freedoms are constricted. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are disrespected by both political parties negligence and willful dis-SERVICE to their oaths.
With regard to communism, that’s playing the FEAR card. Communism has exactly zero influence in this country and it isn’t even supported by OWS. Isn’t that quite the surprise? The only way one can think differently is if you accept a narrative from those always lying to average Americans. Go find out for yourself though, actually talk with people participating unless that’s too scary for you?
You may be right though that Russia has something to teach us about eventual collapse of empire and overreach into places like the graveyard of empires, Afghanistan. You don’t have to be a certified prognosticator to know that is indeed a possibility.
I think, rather what we are saying is fascism, a merger of federal and corporate interests. I realize that people argue over the definition but it’s a definition attributed to the person who supposedly coined the term. Most people think in terms of monsters and what we have now is some kind of soft form of fascism, but maybe it hardens more with time.
In the past a high school diploma could easily get you a 1 career that allowed a parent to stay home and raise the children, afford a nice home, new cars, a decent lifestyle and pay for college without dying in massive debt but being able to actually pass on an inheritance to your children. NOW, two adults with college educations are barely maintaining the old standard of living.
I’ve worked in the lowliest of jobs too and have a college education.
With regard to corporations, the anger I have isn’t directed toward mom and pop class corporations but the ones which externalize their costs on the rest of society, especially those costs which destroy lives and otherwise harm people. It’s about undue influence. I can’t afford to buy my legislator’s influence but the Too Bigs buy them openly and with minimal restriction. I can’t even get my legislators to keep them from poisoning the food chain by doing things like putting harmful chemicals in our food. And isn’t it curious that we speak of our freedoms as essential to what it means to be an American while those freedoms are denied your fellow Americans and more and more extended to corporations. You might look into the damage that some of the largest corporations are doing and how they continue to get bigger. Many pay absolutely no taxes and quite a few actually get rebates, so in a sense, we actually subsidize their profits with taxes.
Did you ever play the game monopoly? It’s fun at least until towards the end of the game when it’s pretty clear who won. Average Americans more and more are just circling and paying rent while the monopolies grow. What is a country to do when it can’t(politically) tax the ones who actually have all the cash? What happens when more and more the money on the bottom end dries up? Do we just accept an economy of by and for the mega-wealthy monopolists? Can’t I have some democracy? Can’t I have a voice in my government? Neither party represents the 99%. Rather they each play a game at our expense.
The big corporations are sitting on trillions, so where are all the jobs? Well, to be fair, they are creating plenty of jobs outside our borders that money can move freely but people not so much. It’s demand that generates jobs. It’s a healthy main street economy that keeps Americans working.
Why don’t we unlock the chains on average Americans and ensure that we have a healthy functioning republic and economy that serves the people, is of by and for the people. Remember, The People? The country is not’s it’s corporations but it’s people. How we treat the least powerful in this country is truly representative of the kind of society we are. I want freedom. Please don’t stand in my way or even your way because you are one of the people who does not have a voice in our representative government. Don’t believe me? Go ahead and find out for yourself.
You do realize people who join the military do it because they want to? I have friends who joined and don’t see any problems like what you’ve described.
Oh and Fascism is truly better then Communism. That’s why Hitler turned to it. So bravo, you just listed the OWS movement on the same level as the Nazi party. Yes I do believe that is much better then the Communist party.
And as for the education thing, I know more people who have dropped out of high school/graduated that have jobs/better jobs THAN College graduates. In my opinion and the one opinion I’ve always had 90% of college degrees are a waste of money and useless. It’s better to go to work and create a skill that is vitally important then sitting in some class spending 30k a year to just end up either un-employed or working at McDonalds putting burgers on an food styled assembly line.
Those corporations got that way through hard work and making a great product that everyone can utilize. I suppose you are surfing the net from some internet provider which is a big corporation, and using either a smartphone which was brought to you by two major corporations or a tablet probably brought by one of the biggest corporations in the world. Face it, you have utilized products from “big corporations” your whole life and all of a sudden it’s bothering you? Because of the influence the media is bringing you, or bringing someone else? The OWS theory is flawed.
And on that flaw it’s flawed to it’s core, it’s heart. I’ve read what you protesters want and I don’t want to have to pay for you people. I shouldn’t have to pay for anyone other then myself. You people want to have everything handed to you because you saw someone else getting help like say a scholarship and wonders “why the hell can’t I get a free ride like that person?!”.
Oh, yeah and if you would want change you wouldn’t go to wall street, you’d go to Washington DC. Congress approved the bail outs, wall street just asked for it. And many of those people who got the bail outs paid off their debt. I’m sorry you can’t handle your debt but that’s your problem and you should have to deal with the repercussions and not try to get the rest of America to pay it off for you.
Many of us HAVE jobs, have homes, and are in danger of losing both. I, for one, have worked some 40 years, paid taxes every year. I obey the law, have volunteered countless hours in my community, and love this country. I participate to protest that the voice of the common people is not being heard any longer. We the people have the right to be heard. You do not have to agree, but if you expect your opinion to respected, then you must grant us the same.
because this is this is a way to draw attention to the fact that Telling somebody to get a job is ridiculous when we have unemployment at 9%. Has it occurred to you that there are very few jobs to be had? And.. if you are a true American, you know we all have the right to our opinion. We will respect yours; you should respect ours.
I don’t think I can respect any opinion that wants someone else to pay for all their bills. I have my own bills and I pay for them. I think the protesters should be able to pay their own bills and if they can’t that’s there problem.
If you think about it 9% isn’t much. 91% are employed. Jobs are out there, just don’t be picky. There aren’t very few jobs to be had, there are plenty of jobs. It doesn’t depend on the ‘job market’ but if you can benefit the company. That’s why there are interviews.
Yeah you have your right to your opinion, and that’s why you express it. But this is also the internet where anything goes despite what country one lives in.
First off, I don’t think we’re saying fascism is where we want to go, but where we pretty much are right now.
And I don’t think we’re trying to get our bills paid by another person. If you really think about it, are you happy with where our tax dollars are going? Are you ok with seeing education and transportation and social security and various other programs cut? Are you going to be one of the few who are untouched by this world wide problem?
We may have grown up in an age of change and technology. We may have had the veil pulled over our eyes before we were ever even born. But because we are waking up now….that’s your problem? That we are becoming aware of the problems that have been steadily ignored by those who ARE supposed to be on our side?
Also, I find it funny that you came here to the internet where nothing can actually get done to express your opinion which differs so greatly from many of our viewers. Did you think we would change our minds at your “bits of wisdom” and insults?
We all have jobs, honestly.
And what Jan says is true. Working 40 hours a week was judged as fair for a family at one point. We got hoodwinked into working more and producing less for ourselves while those who make the laws and have the influence get richer and have more. Remember the 30′s? We caught the big businesses and monopolies and asked for some help. Carnegie himself agreed they had too much and started donating his money to services. The same services that are facing these cuts today.
So we’re acting like the great depression didn’t happen? Is that it? Does no one see the parallels? O_O
I’m young. I’m under educated. Under worked. I want a chance to have a life, not debt and fear. Is that so much to ask?
Also, sweatshops in America. They exists. So, yeah. Jobs exist out there. But can you make a fair living while at them? I would argue no.
Do you need all scrap lumber, or just plywood? Do you have dimensions for the bed platforms you are building? The reason I ask is that I work in theatre and most theatres dump their sets in the dumpster after the run of a show. Assuming someone is willing to volunteer a truck to pick up (I would if I owned one) most places are happy to reduce their dumpster fees. I have seen tons of perfectly re-useable materials thrown out because it is cheaper than storage.
More than material things, you need hope, courage and stamina. Don’t worry, I know you have those – and everything else will follow. This is the way I look at it: America USED to work. The people had work. The system worked. Hey, EVEN the Congress used to work (sometimes). God knows, it was far, far, far from perfect -but at least we all had some share in the struggles AND the rewards. But somewhere along the way, we lost our way. Because now we have an economy and a political system that seems to work only for the rich. What they call “trickle down economics”….leaves most of us out in the cold cold rain. We need to get back to what America was, and what it should be, and what it can be. Occupy Wall Street is no longer just a place called Zuccotti Park – Zuccotti Park is everywhere. You can beat us and arrest us and tear-gas us, you can try to “permit” us to death….but you can’t kill an idea. You can’t keep down a people’s hopes and dreams for a better life…..a life with dignity and freedom….for us, and for our kids. More power to Occupy Wall Street, as it spreads to every town and city – because OWS is us, and for us, and by us. It comes up from the grassroots, and it lifts us up in turn. With OWS America has found it’s voice, and that voice demands fairness and justice -for ALL. This land IS our land! AND WE WANT IT BACK! We want our LIVES back! We want our FUTURE back! But it’s more than just words…. it’s more than just politics…. it’s your LIFE, and how you want to live it. So why not take some time, find a quiet place somewhere, and consider this: Each of us has only one brief life….one chance….one roll of the dice….and many choices. It’s time to choose….to risk…and to act. If not now…then when? If not you, then….who? You DO have the power my friend….and the choice is yours. Don’t let your dreams die.
I will be picking up laundry and wet sleeping bags today (Wednesday) in the next 3 hours. Please have them ready so I do not need to pay for parking in the adjacent lot. Thank you.
We need a shovel for the park please.
Hey, I will edit the current list (this one is outdated) to reflect these needs. In the future, just send me a message and I’ll be able to make changes faster.
Thanks!
We need two large trash bins with a tight lid for the worm committee.
We need a coffee machine basket filter rather paper filter to make better coffee and a better tight budget.